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More thoughts on Columbia MSOR


Good things:

  • Brand name of Columbia University
  • Opportunity to take good courses and learn useful skills
  • New York location advantage
  • Flexibility of choosing courses and study plan

Bad things:

  • IEOR Department is at best apathetic and at worse discriminatory towards MSOR students
  • MSOR course structure does not follow a nice pattern like MSFE courses ( staggered  in Summer, Fall, Spring)
  • Some courses are restricted to MSFE students

Job prospects

  • In general job prospects for MSOR grads are inferior to MSFE grads
  • This inferiority results from :
  1. MSOR grads being less qualified, OR
  2. MSOR grads being less aware of things in general, OR
  3. MSOR grads simply not being given the opportunity to apply to certain jobs.
  • Qualified, perseverant  and hard working people from any program at Columbia University (MAFN, MSOR, MSE, MSFE, MS Stats etc) will find countless doors being opened for them.

Should I join Columbia MSOR?

  • YES, if:
  1. You are self motivated and hard working, AND
  2. You have a good idea of what you want to do, AND
  3. You possess the skills to learn advanced math, stat and computing concepts in school ( read you’re not afraid of Math/computing) , AND
  4. You have a back up plan if you don’t get a job out of school
  • NO, if:
  1. You ‘think’ you like finance/consulting but are not sure of it, OR
  2. You do not possess good mathematical skills, OR
  3. Not getting a job will severely impact your next 7+ years, OR
  4. Your financial position makes you taking a USD 50,000+ loan prohibitive, OR
  5. You get easily discouraged…for the job market is Nasty

I took a risk and it paid off. For some others it didn’t.  Should the wheels of time turn back and I be given the choice of accepting MSOR or rejecting it,  I would still accept it. I am much indebted to Columbia (and to God)  for how my career turned out to be.

5 Comments to

“More thoughts on Columbia MSOR”

  1. On July 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm Faisal Says:

    Hi Varun, this blog has been a great source of information for many incoming students like me and other prospective applicants. Even with your arguments in favor of joining MSOR, I find it hard that a student can manage the tuition without taking the huge loan. Further, would you still have a student join even if he is a fresh graduate with NO work ex? Thanks.

  2. On July 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm bhaiyyu Says:

    1) A loan like that is big for everyone. The question is that big loan, if not paid through USD earnings, is going to make your life uber-miserable or not. Answers will differ based on everyone’s personal circumstances. Refer to the email I sent you on April 2, 2012:

    “I asked the same question from someone in June 2010. My friend told me – ” Analyse your worst case scenario. If you don’t get a job what happens? How much loan do you have? if you go back to India, will you find a job? and then, how long to pay that loan off? After the calculation if you think you can take the risk – then go for it.”

    2) Fresh grads can, and do, join MFE programs. As you may note, my post does not mention work experience as a necessary prerequisite.

  3. On November 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm Viki Says:

    Hi Bhaiyu

    Whats the Admission procedure ?


  4. On March 22nd, 2013 at 12:01 am Anonymous Says:

    Hi, I have been admitted to Columbia MSOR. From India and got across your blogpost while searching more about the program. Is it possible to get in touch in touch with you over email? Hoping you will revert!

  5. On March 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 am bhaiyyu Says:

    varun.pec AT gmail

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